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Kelly Chase

Podcast host, author, and consciousness researcher whose investigation of the UFO phenomenon led her from object-level inquiry into a deeper exploration of consciousness, non-human intelligence, narrative warfare, and the hidden architectures of reality.

FieldDetails
Full NameKelly Chase
RolePodcaster / Author / Researcher / Media Strategist
StatusACTIVE
PlatformCosmosis (formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole) podcast; Apple TV; YouTube; Whitley Strieber's Dreamland (monthly guest host)
Current AffiliationCo-Founder, Ontocalypse Productions; Director of Strategy, UAP Disclosure Fund (UAPDF); Co-Host, The Good Trouble Show with Matt Ford
Social Media@kellychasemedia (X); @UFO_Rabbit_Hole
Notable WorksThe UFO Rabbit Hole: Book One (2022); The UFO Rabbit Hole: Book Two (2023); Cosmosis docuseries; "UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure" (Contact in the Desert keynote, 2025)
EducationUniversity of Akron
Previous CareerBranding and marketing; McKinsey & Co.; LGT Capital Partners

Background​

Kelly Chase launched The UFO Rabbit Hole podcast in 2021 as a structured, science-based on-ramp to the UFO phenomenon for general audiences. The show quickly became one of the top 1% of podcasts globally on Spotify, ranking in over 90 countries. Her approach — methodical, research-driven, and accessible — attracted a broad audience that included both longtime UFO researchers and newcomers to the field.

Chase's professional background in corporate strategy (McKinsey & Co., LGT Capital Partners) and branding gave her an analytical framework that set her apart from many UAP commentators. She brought a structured, evidence-based methodology to a field often characterized by speculation, and her willingness to follow the evidence wherever it led — including into territory that challenged her own assumptions — became a defining feature of her work.

In 2023, Chase co-founded Ontocalypse Productions with Jay Christopher King and Jordan Flowers, signaling a deliberate expansion from object-level UFO investigation into broader questions about consciousness, reality, and the nature of human perception. The podcast was rebranded as Cosmosis, reflecting this evolution.

Current Situation​

Chase currently operates across multiple fronts in the UAP and consciousness space. She serves as Director of Strategy for the UAP Disclosure Fund, which pursues government transparency through legislative advocacy, whistleblower support, scientific research promotion, and public awareness campaigns. She is a monthly guest host on Whitley Strieber's long-running Dreamland podcast and co-hosts The Good Trouble Show with Matt Ford.

Ontocalypse Productions is developing a docuseries called Beyond UFOs, and a New Reality, directed by Jay Christopher King and written by Chase and King. The Cosmosis podcast, now streaming on Apple TV and major podcast platforms, explores the intersection of UFOs, non-human intelligence, consciousness, the paranormal, and what Chase and King call "the hidden architectures of reality."

Her Consciousness Thesis​

Chase's intellectual journey traces a path that many serious UAP researchers describe: beginning with the physical evidence for anomalous craft, then encountering data that cannot be explained by conventional physics alone, and ultimately arriving at questions about consciousness itself.

Her previous podcast, The UFO Rabbit Hole, was what she describes as "an object-level inquiry" — chasing a specific phenomenon and following the evidence. The Cosmosis project represents something fundamentally different: "an inquiry into inquiry itself — into how beliefs are formed and how they can calcify."

Chase draws heavily on the work of Jacques Vallee, particularly his framework from Messengers of Deception, which examines how the UFO phenomenon manipulates human belief systems. She has hosted dedicated episodes examining Vallee's work, exploring themes of manipulation, the unconscious, and the power of images in shaping belief. The Cosmosis podcast explicitly examines "cutting-edge models from Jacques Vallee, Eric Davis, Diana Pasulka, Jeffrey Kripal, James Madden, and others, to uncover new ways of understanding the impossible."

A central concept in Chase's framework is the "ontocalypse" — a term describing the existential shock that occurs when a person's foundational understanding of reality is shattered. As she puts it: "The process of questioning not just one's beliefs, but the foundational concepts and categories that one uses to make sense of everything from the being you see in the mirror to what the definition of 'is' is can trigger a visceral kind of shock in people."

Chase has increasingly focused on the role of consciousness in the UAP phenomenon, exploring themes including:

  • Plasma as living intelligence — hosting researchers like Dana Kippel who propose that plasma is a multidimensional, living intelligence carrying both consciousness and information
  • Precognitive experiences and consciousness studies — featuring researchers exploring the intersection of time, myth, and the instability of reality
  • Downloads and intuition — investigating the role of non-ordinary information transfer in consciousness research
  • The experiencer phenomenon — through her partnership with Jay Christopher King (The Experiencer Group), exploring firsthand accounts of contact with non-human intelligence

Intelligence Community Skepticism and Narrative Warfare​

One of Chase's most distinctive contributions to the field is her critical analysis of the intelligence community's role in UAP disclosure. In her final UFO Rabbit Hole episode, Chase made a controversial statement challenging the military intelligence narrative around disclosure, expressing skepticism toward the disclosure movement that emerged after 2017.

Key elements of her critique:

  • She characterized post-2017 disclosure events as "theatrical presentations" rather than genuine transparency
  • She noted that many prominent whistleblowers maintained active security clearances while working with defense contractors, raising questions about the independence of their disclosures
  • She referenced specific claims from Luis Elizondo's book about his recruitment into AATIP by James Lacatski for counter-intelligence work
  • She stated explicitly: "The stripper doesn't love you, and intelligence agents aren't your friends"

This critique culminated in her 2025 Contact in the Desert keynote, "UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure," which examined how belief itself becomes a weapon in the battle for truth. Drawing from research into intelligence tradecraft, counterintelligence, and disinformation — along with firsthand interactions with members of the intelligence community — Chase unpacked psychological operations, perception management, limited hangouts, and what she calls the "secret onion" model of secrecy: the idea that the search for answers is being actively shaped, steered, and contained by the very institutions claiming to support disclosure.

This positions Chase in an unusual space within the UAP community — she is both an advocate for disclosure (through her role at the UAP Disclosure Fund) and a sharp critic of how disclosure is being managed and potentially weaponized.

Key Quotes​

"My previous podcast, The UFO Rabbit Hole, was an object-level inquiry. I was chasing a specific phenomenon and following the evidence wherever it led. This podcast is something different. It's an inquiry into inquiry itself — into how beliefs are formed and how they can calcify." — Kelly Chase, X post, 2025

"The process of questioning not just one's beliefs, but the foundational concepts and categories that one uses to make sense of everything from the being you see in the mirror to what the definition of 'is' is can trigger a visceral kind of shock in people." — Kelly Chase, on the concept of the "ontocalypse"

"In order to conceptualize the sound of one hand clapping, one must be able to conceive of a universe in which such a thing is possible." — Kelly Chase, on expanding the framework for understanding anomalous phenomena

"The stripper doesn't love you, and intelligence agents aren't your friends. It's time to get real about the disclosure narrative and the UFO community's self-destructive relationship with the IC." — Kelly Chase, on intelligence community involvement in UAP disclosure

Key Arguments & Evidence​

  • The UFO phenomenon is not reducible to physical craft — Chase's trajectory from object-level inquiry to consciousness research reflects her conclusion that the phenomenon involves dimensions of reality that conventional materialism cannot explain
  • Disclosure is being managed, not given — The intelligence community is actively shaping the disclosure narrative through psychological operations, limited hangouts, and controlled information release
  • Belief is weaponized — The UFO community's eagerness to trust intelligence community sources makes it vulnerable to manipulation and perception management campaigns
  • The "ontocalypse" is real and necessary — Genuine engagement with the UFO phenomenon requires a willingness to have one's foundational assumptions about reality shattered
  • Consciousness is central to the phenomenon — Experiencer accounts, non-ordinary states of consciousness, and the behavior of anomalous phenomena point to consciousness as a key variable, not merely physical technology
  • Plasma may be a form of living intelligence — Emerging research suggests plasma phenomena associated with UAPs may carry consciousness and information across dimensional boundaries

Where She's Said It​

  • The UFO Rabbit Hole podcast (2021-2024) — over 100 episodes of structured UFO investigation, ranked top 1% globally on Spotify
  • Cosmosis podcast (2024-present) — ongoing exploration of consciousness, non-human intelligence, and the hidden architectures of reality, with co-host Jay Christopher King
  • Whitley Strieber's Dreamland — monthly guest hosting on the long-running paranormal podcast
  • Contact in the Desert 2025 — keynote presentation: "UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure"
  • The Good Trouble Show — co-hosted with Matt Ford
  • The Vetted Show — exclusive statement on ending the UFO Rabbit Hole and her critique of intelligence community disclosure
  • Engaging the Phenomenon podcast — "UFO Narrative Warfare: Navigating Perception & Narrative Warfare in UFO Research"
  • Somewhere in the Skies podcast — "Cosmosis: UFOs and a New Reality"
  • The Paranormal Podcast with Jim Harold — Episode 826, "Another Trip Down The UFO Rabbit Hole"
  • The UFO Rabbit Hole: Book One (November 2022, self-published)
  • The UFO Rabbit Hole: Book Two (June 2023, self-published)

The Counterargument​

  • Disclosure advocates argue Chase's skepticism toward intelligence community sources risks undermining legitimate whistleblowers who have taken personal and professional risks to come forward, and that her "stripper" analogy is dismissive of people acting in good faith
  • Some longtime listeners felt the pivot from The UFO Rabbit Hole to Cosmosis strayed too far from traditional UFO investigation into abstract consciousness territory, losing the structured, evidence-based approach that defined the original show
  • Intelligence community supporters contend that programs like AATIP and AARO represent genuine government efforts toward transparency, and that characterizing them as psychological operations is itself a form of conspiratorial thinking
  • Materialist skeptics argue that Chase's increasing embrace of consciousness-based explanations for UAP phenomena moves her further from the empirical approach she originally championed
  • Some in the UFO community interpreted her final UFO Rabbit Hole statement as a personal attack on Luis Elizondo and the broader disclosure movement, sparking significant debate about her motives and conclusions
  • Jacques Vallee — Chase draws extensively on Vallee's interdimensional hypothesis and his framework from Messengers of Deception about how the UFO phenomenon manipulates belief systems. Vallee's work is foundational to Chase's understanding of the phenomenon as something beyond conventional physical craft.
  • Diana Pasulka — Chase has interviewed Pasulka multiple times on Cosmosis, including discussions of American Cosmic and Encounters. Pasulka's research into Catholic mysticism, Vatican archives, and modern contact experiences informs Chase's exploration of consciousness and non-human intelligence.
  • Grant Cameron — Cameron's research into the consciousness component of the UFO phenomenon and the role of "downloads" in experiencer accounts parallels Chase's increasing focus on non-ordinary information transfer and the experiencer phenomenon.
  • Ross Coulthart — As one of the most prominent UAP journalists, Coulthart represents the investigative disclosure approach that Chase both supports (through the UAP Disclosure Fund) and critically examines (through her narrative warfare analysis). Their work occupies complementary but sometimes tension-filled positions in the UAP space.
  • Whitley Strieber — Chase serves as monthly guest host on Strieber's Dreamland podcast, connecting her work directly to one of the longest-running experiencer-focused voices in the field.
  • Interdimensional UAP Hypothesis — Chase's evolution from nuts-and-bolts UFO investigation to consciousness-centered inquiry aligns with the interdimensional hypothesis, which proposes that UAP phenomena involve entities or intelligences crossing between dimensions rather than traveling through physical space. Her exploration of plasma as living intelligence and her engagement with Vallee's framework both point toward interdimensional models of the phenomenon.

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